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>>> good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. president obama and mitt romney now have about 15 hours until they take the debate stage at the university of denver. >> people want to know who's going to win? who's going to score the punches? in my view, it's not so much winning or losing or even the people themselves, the president and myself. it's about something bigger than that. >> no, no, governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing. >> a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finds that nearly four in ten voters say that the upcoming debates will be either extremely or quite important to determining their vote for president. another 34% of voters polled say that the upcoming debates will be somewhat important to their votes, so the stakes are high tonight. president obama's lead in the nationwide polls is narrowing. meantime, romney has pulled even in florida. john harwood is in denver this morning and he will join us in just a few
the math doesn't work. >> you're the master of the budget. so let's go through the plan. the obama camp says independent groups say if you cut those tax rates for everybody 20%, it costs $5 trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. >> how much would it cost? >> its revenue neutral. >> i'm just talking about the cuts. we'll get to the deductions. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rates by 20%. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue new pral unless you take away the deductions. the first half, lowering the tax rates, does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. look, i won't get into a baseline art with you but that's what a lot of this is about. lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- let me finish. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> i got to tell you, what did you think of that? i thought that was unbelievable. >> why? >> first of all, it was on fox which we all have views on what you think fox will do. second of all, i think he has no details. >> i don't agr
. they're hearing president obama does not have the answer. they hear from the other side that neither does mitt romney. they're scared. so many of our clients have actually been on the sidelines. this has been a relatively low volume rally. i think it still has legs. i think multiples are reasonable and there's still room to go. >> that's what we have pondered here lately, dick. is this sort of stealth rally, as i called it before -- here we sit near 5 1/2 rear hiyear high the market, even as we worry and wring our hands over those issues. why do you think that is? >> well, i think that investors have been through a difficult decade, especially equity investors in the united states have suffered some real turmoil in their returns, and they've been bombarded by these messages that generate fear. they're legitimate concerns. the world is a very uncertain place. so we're telling -- >> who's buying -- that's the question, who's doing the buying right now? >> i don't think i have a perfect answer for you on that. i can't identify all the buyers out there for you. i'm sorry. >> okay. >> are
and it will limit the upside for next year. >> is there a point at which you see obama in the polls and you say actually now i believe that we are going to get the tax hikes and the market should fall? there must be a watershed quite soon as we head towards particularly what happens in the house and the senate. >> our focus has been on the senate. we think that's what's going to mostly influence the outcome. i hope there's appetite to see the rates low. i don't see a benefit from raising them. i would call a coin toss on the senate outcome. but wiser minds will see the wisdom of helping the fed in its efforts to stimulate asset prices by not onerously raising taxes on the most important asset class other than homes. >> have you actually calculated a number? you said it would give back some of the rally. but is there a number or a percentage? >> 12-month price target is 1,500. we've written in our research that 1,600 would be a reasonable 2013 end. i need to see an acceleration in global growth. >> contingent on both, not just the tax issue? >> both. somewhere between 1,500 and 1,600. >> david,
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